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President and CEO
Trading Symbol: (TSXV: CMI and OTC: CYSNF)
Dr. Leslie Klein
Interview conducted by:
Lynn Fosse, Senior Editor
Published – February 17, 2020
CEOCFO: Mr. Klein, C-
Mr. Klein: Today we are developing some interesting new technology. I do not know if you are following the trends in the satellite business, but thousands of new satellites are going to be launched in the next couple of years. Some of them will be from people like SpaceX, Elon Musk’s company, others include Amazon, Google, Telesat and many others. It seems that satellite-
In addition to satellites HAPS (High Altitude Platform Stations) are also being developed to replace cellular towers around the world. These unmanned very large drones that will be flying at 20Km and can stay up for many month at a time (using solar panels for power) and cover a radius of 300 Km’s radius will make it possible to deliver cellular services to a large number of potential subscribers in areas where no terrestrial services exist.
Over 3.5 billion people around the world still have no access to the Internet and these space-
We have been developing over the last 4 years an electronically steerable antenna system that will make it possible to track, transmit and receive high-
This antenna is being developed in cooperation with the University of Waterloo, in Waterloo Ontario, Canada. Funding for this development is coming from C-
CEOCFO: What are some of the challenges in putting it together in the system?
Mr. Klein: For these antennas to be working you must have a fully functioning satellite constellation and those constellations are just being built and launched now. That process is an enormously expensive and a risky proposition, so we are waiting for these constellations to be deployed. Some will start operating as early as next year, others in two or three years from now. Telesat and SpaceX have already satellites in orbit and others are launching new ones as well.
CEOCFO: Would you be contracting with individual companies that have satellites? How does it all come together?
Mr. Klein: The way we will be selling our antennas is much the same as we are selling our existing parabolic on the pause antenna systems today. Today a satellite company like Hughes Network Systems, a subsidiary of EchoStar and others, rents or leases satellite airtime from satellite owners. The satellite owners launch satellites, so they own the entire satellite in the sky and then they sell airtime over these satellites. It is similar to companies that own optical fiber in the ground; they do not necessarily provide services, but they own the infrastructure and rent or lease airtime. A satellite could be considered an infrastructure in the sky. Owners of those satellites sell satellite capacity to people who want to buy the bandwidth on these satellites, then they resell that bandwidth to resellers who provide the services on the satellite to end-
Companies like C-
Mr. Klein: ISOTROPIC has been a C-
Our antennas provide mobility into vehicles while stationary or for ground use for emergency deployment using flyaway antennas that can be deployed in minutes and can connect to the satellite at a press of a button anywhere anytime.
We have announced that our antenna systems are now useable with the most advanced high-
Isotropic will be able to extend their service offering to several new customers who require the availability of this high efficiency modem for mobility.
CEOCFO: What industries are coming onboard?
Mr. Klein: With the development of our electronic antenna system we expect to replace all mechanical antennas with this new design and open up new vertical markets for satellite service providers such as Isotropics, who will be able to bundle the new antenna for use on the ground, in the air and also for marine applications.
With the deployment of low-
CEOCFO: Do you anticipate adding staff or manufacturing capability?
Mr. Klein: We are a relatively small company with only 33 people. We outsource everything. We design the product but outsource all manufacturing. We expect to continue the process with the development of the new electronic antenna.
We will have to work with new manufacturers that have the capacity to produce these new antennas in large numbers as we expect very high demand for this product.
We will be working with several new integrators, who will want to take this technology and integrate it into new vertical markets such as trains, aero, marine and others. We will prefer to remain a development center and continue outsourcing the manufacture of antenna systems, much the same way we operate today.
It is too early at this stage to predict or forecast which direction the company will take. It is possible that we will be able to license some of this technology to those who would want to manufacture it, those who will want to build the antennas and those who will want to use these antennas for very specific vertical markets. It will remain to be seen how this whole thing plays out.
CEOCFO: Do companies seem willing to pay what is needed to get this whole network put together?
Mr. Klein: Cost is a very important factor in delivering this type of solution to a large base of worldwide users.
Almost all satellite service operators that are selling solutions to users on the ground, subsidize the cost of hardware to make it attractive for the end user to purchase the service. They are using creative ways to sell the service to make it possible for people to access this technology.
The idea is to make the cost of the solution attractive and to sell it to a large number of potential users. The market size is astronomical if the combined hardware and airtime cost can be made attractive.
It is like the evolution of cell phones or laptops or any other consumer product used by the masses worldwide.
There are a lot of things that must happen before this hardware/service becomes a large consumer oriented, low-
In our case, if we could for example, replace our mechanical antennas that we manufacture today with an electronically steered antenna for the same price. We could sell a lot of these antennas because they provide many advantages. One of them would be weight, the other one would be height, and another would be the fact that it is electronic, and it has no moving parts. There are many advantages that an electronically steered antenna would have over a mechanical antenna. One of them would be also that mechanical antennas would not allow a car to be moving while transmitting and receiving information from a moving satellite. There are many reasons why somebody would adopt and accept the price even if it is at a premium over a mechanical antenna because the electronic antenna would allow them to do things they cannot do today with a mechanical antenna.
CEOCFO: You are worldwide now. What geographies offer growth potential?
Mr. Klein: There are potentially billions of users in the world without access to the internet and they are primarily in places like Central America, South America, Asia, Africa and other remote areas where connectivity does not exist today and it may never exist in a way that you and I know it, because there is not enough population, money or infrastructure to support such services. The market is global and potentially very large. Internet is extremely important and would open up the world to a lot of users who presently have no access to it and would also provide them with opportunities such as commerce, education and health not easily available to them today.
CEOCFO: Are many people looking to become integrators working with you? How do you vet these companies?
Mr. Klein: We get at least two or three requests to become a C-
We advertise worldwide, attend exhibitions, trade shows and conferences and we have a strong internet presence.
It is not hard to vet these companies as they all are in the satellite business, understand the technology and want to re-
CEOCFO: Does the stock market recognize what you have accomplished?
Mr. Klein: The stock market is not recognizing our accomplishments, although with the slowly approaching test of the phased array antenna there has been noticeable activity lately. The stock has moved up significantly from a year ago. It is sitting at $1.99 (Canadian today). Considering what we are developing and the fact that the company has had 15 years of consecutive profitability, has over $21 Million in working capital, pays quarterly dividends, and has no debt I believe the stock is definitely undervalued.
CEOCFO: What, if anything, might be missed when first looking at C-
Mr. Klein: The first thing they would miss is that we are not on the radar, we are in Canada and we are a relatively small company listed on a Canadian exchange and the on the US over the counter exchange (TSXV: CMI and OTC: CYFNS). If they look closer, they will see that we bring a great value proposition to our shareholders and we believe there to be a large potential upside with the technology we are developing. Most people are not aware of the potential revolutionary impact that this technology may have on the company and its stock.
“New Phased Array Electronically Steered Satellite Antenna has a potential to revolutionize the worldwide delivery of broadband Internet over satellite.”-